Palm Treat
May 10, 2021
AMT:
“the ultimate, hidden truth of the world is that it is something that we make, and could just as easily make differently.”
I kinda think like people are a wrapper around the animalistic void. At certain times the wrapper gets thin or goes away
And hence the human instrumentality initiative seeks to unify the void inside all of us lmao
PT:
Fuck
“Europa Expo ‘85” by Palm Treat
AMT:
There’s an observation effect
So like if participants know they’re in a system their behavior changes
The internal evolution of rules is through socialization
Which is an process of society teaching a participant what is and is not acceptable
The sensors examine that shit so the system knows where to walk
Essentially this is human instrumentality, and we’re discussing a human super-organism like an ant colony
PT:
Is there a ceiling to complexity? Is everything just like a fractal
Like ya know how simple rules can give rise to huge complex systems, like ants they follow like simple A/B rules but at
scale they seem to be making complex decisions
AMT:
The simple rules in this system is a single human, it assumes no one human is so incredibly unique that they matter
PT:
Fuck I’m an ant lol
AMT:
Yeah complexity theory actually is the basis of modern crisis response
PT:
But the crises never end
But I guess that keeps anyone from actually doing anything about it
AMT:
Not only that, but if you just assume that the system evolves, then leadership is irrelevant
Leadership becomes solely performative
“Marked As Read” by Palm Treat
AMT:
Museums and galleries/institutions are like central bankers of culture
How they will like take loans from other institutions just to increase clout even if they don’t have space to show shit
And how they operate in like almost a system above capitalism
Dominated by richies
It’s all pretend, it’s all money laundering. But to make it legit they build temples to it.
Very like worshippy
PT:
Make it appear to be a reverential object and put it in a big church and everyone suddenly is like “Oh ya, this has always been great”
Equal parts tax avoidance schemes and money laundering schemes using art as the fence
“Live, Laugh, Love” by Palm Treat
AMT:
…it describes the Heisenberg principle where observation collapses possibility into one signal. Like the detectors of a system collect many signals (thesis), and collapse them into one synthesis. The Heisenberg principle is from physics where like observing something impacts the thing.
So it’s kind of like how disorder is sucked up by the system. But in the sucking process, the disorder changes
Also I think vaporwave and other niche stuff is an acting out against the dominant socialization system. Like an attempt to form a community through an aesthetic that allows people to identity fellow individuals outside the primary system
“Trash Bandicoot” by Palm Treat
PT:
I saw something a while ago that explained how the punk attitude of like “fuck the man drop out and get wasted” actually fits into the system because it’s like self-selecting the most disillusioned people who would otherwise shake things up into mostly superficial roles that aren’t accepted by mainstream because their main identifying feature is shifted to how they look and act instead their ideas. Seems to me to be more like smaller systems in the system.
Although with the internet those alt communities can now pull from a wider audience because it’s much different to check something out online than like congregate in real life. Same with the Q Anon people, way easier to read that shit online and get hyped vs actually going to a Klan rally. I guess it’s really just a matter of how you look at it.
AMT:
That’s hot lol
Yeah if the subsystems can reach into capital, then they can get power
Otherwise, just a road to disillusionment
“Tread on Me” by Palm Treat
AMT:
Is pre-covid vaporwave different than whatever now
PT:
If anything maybe it’s gotten more of a grimier cyberpunk look, but also more spillover with kawaii which is slowly mixing more and more with goth kind of look maybe like a lil peep kind of vibe seems to be more popular. There’s more stuff with sort of eastern european / Slavic / “Frog with a Flail” look becoming popular, I’m not sure how to describe it. Like you took a vaporwave tattoo and Xeroxed it a bunch of times until it smeared.
AMT:
There isn’t really any new genres or major paradigm shifts at least that I’ve noticed
I’m wondering if new genres require new media channels, like tiktok has kind of taken elements of vaporwave on.
If there isn’t new media for a while post tiktok, then idk if there’s gonna be anything bigger vaporwave for a bit
Lol, not saying end of history, but I think there are parts that are cementing into a crystallized form
PT:
Yeah, vaporwave is sort of like the current flavor of the postmodernism mixtape
Continue? by Palm Treat
AMT:
It’s funny though because capitalism as a system is kinda dumb, because it let’s people who don’t know what systems are design systems
Like they don’t see business as system, they think this is a ‘company’
So, the simple area is a cliff that can descend into chaos
Managers should give simple autonomy to their people
If a system falls into chaos from simple it turns into fascism top down order
But most systems are complicated
So what they should do is rely on experts and form consensus around ideas and the way work is done
If they treat it like simple, but it’s not simple, that’s heading for a bad time
Lol complexity theory is the devil
“i do not think” by Palm Treat